Episode 54

How Defunding the Police Could Help Solve More Crimes—and Contribute to Eliminating the Systemic Racism in Law Enforcement

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George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Oscar Grant, Michael Brown, Charleena Lyles, Stephon Clark, Tamir Rice, Walter Scott, Eric Garner. These are a fraction of the names of black men and women killed by police officers.

In August of 2019, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that 1 in every 1000 black men will be killed by police. And most of those killed are young, between the ages of 20 to 35 years old. The same study found that black men are 2 and half times more likely to be killed by police than white men; black women 1.4 times more likely than white women. 
George Floyd:
On May 25th, 2020, 46-year-old George Floyd murdered by a Minneapolis police officer. His murder was caught on video by a bystander. Officer Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, while two other officers kneeled on his back and legs. A forth officer stood watch. 

During the course of the video, George Floyd repeatedly says he cannot breathe. He calls for his mother. For over two minutes of the video he is unconscious. But Chauvin remained with his knee of his neck.

Since George Floyd's murder, and after many protests against the continued killing of black men and women by police, Chauvin has been arrested and charged with second degree murder. The other three officers have been arrested and charged with aiding and abetting.  

Breonna Taylor:
Close to 1 AM on March 13, Louisville Metro narcotics officer arrived at Breonna Taylor's home to serve a no-knock warrant. The warrant allows officer to enter a resident without announcing their presence. 

26-year-old Breonna Taylor was asleep in her bed when the officers broke into the home. Her boyfriend heard the noise and shot at the intruders with his licensed handgun. The intruders, plan clothes police officers, returned fire. The result was the murder of Breonna Taylor, who was shot eight times.

Since Breonna's death, Louisville has passed a measure to outlaw no-knock warrants. But the officers responsible for her death haven't been fired or charged. They are currently on administrative reassignment. 

If you would like to raise your voice for her case, you can reach out to Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer at:

527 West Jefferson Street
4th Floor
Louisville, KY 40202




Eric Garner:
On July 17, 2014, Eric Garner was killed after former NYPD police officer Daniel Pantaleo placed him in a chokehold. Like with George Floyd, his death was caught on video. Eric Garner also repeatedly said he couldn't breathe, but no one helped him. 

But unlike with George Floyd, the justice system did not act. The coroner ruled Eric Garner's death a homicide caused by neck compressions from a chokehold. But in December of 2014, a grand jury declined charged Pantaleo. This decision launched a federal investigation. And the NYPD waited for that investigation before deciding whether or not to let Pantaleo have a disciplinary hearing. 

Neither the NYPD nor the federal justice system made a decision for nearly 5 years. In July of 2019, the federal investigation decided not to bring charges against Pantaleo. And then in August of 2019, NYPD announced that Daniel Pantaleo would be fired. 

Despite Pantaleo being fired five years after the fact, there is still not justice for Eric Garner. It is unclear if him receiving justice is even an option in New York state. 

We discussed possible ways that defunding and reorganizing the police could look. We are interested in your opinions: What would your crime solving team/agency look like? We are also looking for anyone who could have expertise on getting Eric Garner's grand jury unsealed. If you have that expertise, please contact us. 


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